Looking for lazers...

topic posted Fri, April 14, 2006 - 2:29 PM by  Yoshi
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It still seems like a long shot, yet somehow more likely than looking for radio waves...

Please discuss, fellow Fermi folks!!!
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Yoshi
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  • Re: Looking for lazers...

    Fri, April 14, 2006 - 3:19 PM
    A tightly focused beam of light would have to hit us randomly and unintentionally, since we must assume that no one knows that Earth exists or where it is in the universe. Even if the beam were the size of Earth's orbit around the sun, someone would still have to target our one particular sun at random among the billions out there. If you fired off at one star in our galaxy every second it would take about 32000 years to hit them all. (Please correct my math if I'm wrong) Sure, someone could have advanced far enough to have sent these to Earth in the past, but where were we to receive it? It doesn't seem like a very fruitful idea to me, but I'm not a professional scientist.
    I think it IS good that SETI is trying new things, stoking interest, and providing reasons to continue being funded. It's an important undertaking and one that we should continue on strongly. We should be patient, too. As patient as a species that only lives for a cosmological nanosecond can be...
    • Re: Looking for lazers...

      Fri, April 14, 2006 - 4:18 PM
      Dave, good points.

      However, unless I read the article wrong (which is VERY possible), I am thinking that they would be looking for beams not necessarily directed at us, but rather shot from one star system to another. How they could see these beams from the "side on" angle is beyond me, but then so are quite alot of other things.
      • Re: Looking for lazers...

        Tue, July 11, 2006 - 5:36 AM
        If the beam was powerful enough, you might be able to detect it by its effect on particles of interstellar dust, or even molecules. It would impart energy to these objects, which would then re-radiate it in random directions. This is analogous to why you can see a laser beam from the side in our atmosphere, but the density of the medium is much lower and consequently the amount of detectable energy produced per unit of volume is much smaller for any given energy of original beam.

        Incidentally, one could explain away the "visible energy beams in space" beloved of science fiction movies and comic books as being a computer-augmented view of just such an effect.

        - Jordan
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      Re: Looking for lazers...

      Tue, July 11, 2006 - 6:33 AM
      OUr ability to detect and soon analyze planets around a star is growing. If another civilization were about 100 years advanced of us they may have the ability to be very selective in sending a high power beam to another planet. So less of a scatter gun and more of the hit every potential target approach.
      • Re: Looking for lazers...

        Tue, July 11, 2006 - 11:13 AM
        not to come from left feild or anything, but an advanced alien civilization capable of
        ftl would encode information in gravitic lasers, and we would never even pick up the message even if it went right through our equipment because we don't have equipment
        designed to register that.
        • Re: Looking for lazers...

          Wed, July 12, 2006 - 10:34 PM
          This is quite possible, or some other means of communication we currently don't even believe possible. For instance, if they used some sort of FTL energy (tachyon lasers?) to serve as "radio" (which would make sense across interstellar distances, if one had something like that), we might have not even a clue how to build a receiver.

          Sincerely Yours,
          Jordan
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            Re: Looking for lazers...

            Thu, July 13, 2006 - 6:41 AM
            I believe these are valid arguments. In fact the reson for the Fermi paradox is that we are out of "lock step" with the other technologies on the Galaxy and just can't see the message. Out only hope is to see another civilization that is close in technology to us and this reduces the odds of seeing anything greatly.
            • Re: Looking for lazers...

              Thu, July 13, 2006 - 12:24 PM
              On the other hand, a civilization which had advanced beyond electromagnetic radio for most purposes would probably still use it for some purposes. In particular, you'd think there'd be the equivalent of hobbyists. Cell phones and the Internet have largely displaced CB and ham radio, but both CB and ham radio still exist.

              Also, advanced civilizations would presumably perform engineering feats some of whose consequences would be visible across interstellar distances. Ringworlds, Dyson spheres, interstellar wormholes, etc. etc. So the absence of signals and mega-artifacts in our immediate interstellar neighborhood implies, to me, that all we will find at best within 100 or so LY will be low-tech sapients: probably pre-industrial.

              Sincerely Yours,
              Jordan
              • Re: Looking for lazers...

                Thu, July 13, 2006 - 4:31 PM
                >>>So the absence of signals and mega-artifacts in our immediate interstellar neighborhood implies, to me, that all we will find at best within 100 or so LY will be low-tech sapients: probably pre-industrial.<<<

                That indeed a greater possibility then and technologically advanced species reaching us...
                • Re: Looking for lazers...

                  Thu, July 13, 2006 - 5:19 PM
                  Seems to me that the only way we're gonna find other intelligent life is by going out and finding it. Can't we just switch the Defense budget with the Space Exploration budget? Pretty please?

                  ;-)
  • Re: Looking for lazers...

    Mon, November 6, 2006 - 9:27 PM
    Yes, first of all, the odds of lazed light hitting us and being detected is minute. But I wanted to make the point that lazed light does not necessarily remain lazed over those distances and going through interstellar dust.

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